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Exploring the Neuroscience of Belief

• Amanda Smith • Episode 60

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In this conversation, we’re diving into the neuroscience of belief, exploring how beliefs shape our experiences and identities. Our conversation highlights the role of emotions in shaping thoughts and the necessity of training the mind to inspire positive beliefs and perceptions. 

In this Episode:  

0:00: The Neuroscience of Belief 

06:28: Transforming Beliefs: The Role of Experience 

12:32: Memory vs. Experience: Shaping Our Beliefs 

18:27: The Journey to Self-Worth and Trusting the Process 

23:50:Self-Reflection and Neutrality in Decision Making 

27:50: The Importance of Neutrality in Food Relationships 

31:11: The Role of Emotions in Thought Processes 

35:46: Training the Mind for Better Outcomes 

39:54: The Power of Perception and Future Conversations 

 

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Leslie Chen, thank you so much for being on the podcast with me today. And I'm not saying the name of the podcast right now because it's changing. I'm so excited and I'm not sure if your episode will actually have it. So I'm just sharing that with you and everybody else because it's a little tidbit that's coming for all the listeners and it's so exciting, but we're talking about belief today. yes, I'm so excited about this part of the topic. And thank you. Thank you, Amanda, for having me here. I know we're gonna have quite a tango. Yeah. we are. Well, so we've known each other since 2016 and I've got to watch you grow into a mom, to grow into the coach that you are, to help people lose weight. And the neuroscience in me is like so in tune with the neuroscience in you. And that, that's what we're talking about today. The neuroscience of belief. Exactly. I think the topic that we're going to tap into today is not only going to help people with weight loss, it's actually the fundamentals that people need in order to make any lifelong transformation in any aspect of life. And I can't wait. I can't wait either. Okay, so the very first question that comes to mind and we've already kind of prepped this in the pre the pre recording How come some people can change their whole life around quickly and some people can't I'll tell you this, there are a number of factors supplying it in my experience, because I help people rewire how they perceive, react to, and process experience eating and weight loss. So in this context, there are a few factors, for example, your sensory patterns, as in line, aligned to give you the right feeling experience. ultimately, the biggest factor is how well you can actually believe that a new identity is happening to you. Because a lot of times people cannot because of pattern or something that had a lot of roots in their upbringing. I'm going to let you ask me questions. I'm just going stop for now. cause I'm like... So is a change in belief environmental or is it hereditary? that, which one of those two things has the biggest play in changing the belief? you have really tapped into the core here. Love this question. So in my experience, it can be both. But how I help, there are plenty of avenues that can help people rewire how they look at things. But one of the avenues that I use is shifting your experience. Because your belief cannot change if your actual experience doesn't. So we talked a little about hypnosis, about affirmation, all different types of techniques to use, but how come somebody is not really seeing the transformation? It's because however they do it as, hypnosis for example, you do it, you're good for a week. But hey, your 3D reality hasn't really changed. and your brain is just going fight the new belief that you're trying to implement simply because this is neuroscience. Our brain is after consistency. Our brain is after consistency. Let me explain it. I'm going to say quote unquote, are animals after consistency, human beings. When there is, you have a belief. okay? And you're trying to create a new habit or implement a few series of behaviors that... are contradicting the belief. What our brain automatically does on default is to bend over the effort to match with the beliefs. And that really explains a lot as to why a lot of people have been trying this routine or implementing that regimen through willpower. Whether this is about changing your relationship with food or about changing your relationship with somebody else or how you look at yourself. But hey, the belief is the ultimate sponsor of the experience, all the activities. activities, the emotional journey and the behavior pattern. yeah. that goes back to the original statement, what is making somebody, enabling somebody to see the life changes so quickly. Worse than some are not is because the belief has never been shifted. So it's not hereditary, it's not environment, it's both. It's... If... experience that carries out a different belief. That's how so the the question that keeps coming to my mind is how long how long does it take to shift because if we're talking about a quick shift that means like less than a month or does that mean Yes, there is this question. I'll give you the data that you want. In my program, where I help people rewire their spiritual and sensory and physical experience with food and weight loss, what I'm seeing is there have been like 80 % of people, at least, No, because there's going to be a backtrack, right? There's layers in there. What are layers? Okay, 80 % are going to see the new belief, the opposite belief happening, which is the positive one. And let me be specific about this. One of the main limiting beliefs that they've been having, holding on for years and decades is, I cannot trust my body and I have to deprive myself in order to keep my weight and the physical fitness in check. That has been the belief that keeps them on diets after diets. Now the reason why 80 % of those people can see the change and start having feeling a different belief is because the first thing they do is we teach them how to approach food and eating with a very simple and sustainable routine. that keeps them satisfied without limitation or elimination while going to and they see it so that's when they realize oh my god my own belief is a false thought, a faulty thinking and I can actually have experience. But now that leads to the second most important question, which is how much are you ready to really internalize that belief? And that varies a lot. Some people are really good at it. I would say 40 % of my clients. This is what I tell them as a way to cope with this. Imagine you're on a train. When you're on the right train to home, to your destination, you don't need to do the manual work of mechanically walking in the train, hoping to get there faster. Your train is driving you there. So you gotta be able to trust it. However, some people, because of past conditioning of the old beliefs, and especially we're talking about high achieving women here, women who also have another troubling belief that in order to achieve something major, I have to work really hard. So when they're seeing things are unfolding in the right direction without them busy with it. Because you have to think about it. The reason why people are obsessed with certain things is that there is some emotional value they're getting from it. Some kind of gratuity. Or maybe just the feeling of being productive. I feel like that's what happens lot to my clients. So a lot of them, now they're feeling excited, but after excitement, it's like, this is really true. They're not ready to embrace and let it happen. Let themselves be taken, like carried away. by the new belief. And if at this time they can remind themselves that I'm on a train, I don't need to walk, they can skip into staying in a trance. But somehow if they fight themselves really hard, then we're gonna have to back and forth coaching conversations to bring them back on track. So it really depends on the person. 40 % of people can jump on board with a belief. with belief? because think about it has to do with what kind of experience they are in. If they are seeing a lot of data, and when I say data, I'm talking about that's my byword for events in this 3D experience that I am going to this party and during the party, I was able to feel detachment and neutrality in front of the chocolate ice cream which used to be tempting me every single time. They see that happening, which is experience they haven't had for a while. They see themselves wanting the better kind of food versus the junk food anymore because you know what taste buds are highly trainable. Okay, those patterns are highly trainable. lot of the things are really just learned skills, your sensory patterns, how you're feeling hunger versus satiety or fullness. These are all trainable. So you're accumulating a whole bunch of data. It's just like, um... kind of AI or machine learning. You're feeding yourself, your brain, this faculty here, with a whole bunch of data that shows you, oh, yes, I can do this. I'm actually experiencing the positive changes that foster the new beliefs. It will be much, much easier. When I say 40 % of those people can jump on board, it's because we continuously nurture and enable and expand the reservoir of data that lead them to the positive perception and what is really determining your belief. Well, people say, I asked people a lot, what do you think is determining your belief, your perceptions? And people say experience, I say, no, not your experience. It's your memory. Well, very different. because a lot of your experiences are not logged in or stored as your immediate memory that is ready for you to use. Especially our brain is highly distorted when it comes to registering data. If something that's negative happening to you, you're going to remember it. have been some studies showing that 70, three times more than the positive events. Okay, so think about it. If you think about it, it is three times more, that means naturally, if that data, if that number really stands, that means that 75 % of what you've remembered about yourself, your experiences are working against you. And this is why I have women who are so achieved, so brilliant. And they have everything you want in life. They come to me saying that I feel bad about myself. I'm like, you have to go back into the data. because in order to change the belief, you're going to have to go back to the data and rebalance the data. We're not talking about creating fake ones. We don't. But there has to be a mechanism that we use to shift what you remember about maybe it's yourself, it's about your reaction about the circumstances so that your belief can actually move. Now when your belief moves, you know why this is so important? when you're ready to embrace the new belief, it is a belief slash your expectation. that creates your future experience. I want to dive deeper into this part. I want to make a pause here in case you have some follow-up questions about what I just said. I don't want to move too far. I do. Yes, definitely. We will come back to this because it needs to be brought to light. if 40 % are successful at moving forward in their beliefs easily, the other 60 % will see repercussion. We will see some change, some shackled experiences because of the past belief, because it also takes time for the past belief to die. And this is something Dr. Joe Dispenza has said, which I firmly agree with. Your brain only has this limited amount of energy. Now we're talking about how the brain functions, right? So this is the... mechanism of it. It only has this limited energy budget to operate everything that it needs to operate. Your old belief, if you think about what it is, it's really just the source I kept thinking about. Really what it is in anatomy of the brain is a neural pathway. And a neural pathway takes energy to sustain and to survive and to thrive. Okay, so when you think about the old belief, you keep in questioning it. What you're really doing, even though you're trying to fight or resist it, you're feeding energy to it because you are paying attention to it. Where your attention goes is where your energy goes. So a lot of times people are saying, I try to not think about it. Okay, good. You're thinking about it. then you'll see it. Did you see that? Yeah. But at the same time, how do you actually kill the old belief is by not messing with it. giving attention. So this is what we see our continuous success within my clients. When if they are among the 60 % of those who still feeling changed by the old beliefs and the way of thinking, the immediate remedy is to focus on the new beliefs and focus on amassing, collecting data and evidences that points them to the new beliefs so well. It's such a rigorous matter. that they don't have mental space to focus on the belief. So basically it's just like when you're gardening, you have two plants, you want to kill that one, but they say it's so hard to kill because it's huge, right? It's going to take some time, but if you don't feed it anything, it's going to start to die. So by focusing on the beliefs and just throwing yourself into the circumstances that feels like a thriller movie. Used to feel like a thriller movie to you, but now I'm talking about the parts of every movie need, but you can't. through it with detachment and peace and contentment and not self sabotage. You're constantly intrigued and inspired by the new data. And what I asked my students to do is to make sure that you're capturing those in writing because again, Let me remind you there is a significant difference between memory and experiences. For something to become your memory, your experience is not going to directly shape your belief. It's a memory. It's the things that you took with you. By jogging it down, reliving it, you're actually registering those into your memory pool. And those are going to form the new interpretation and perception, which is going to give rise to new expectation, which is going to navigate, help you funnel, okay, not even you trying, but help you funnel the new dimensional experience. So we're relying a little bit on motivation Yeah, but the motivation, the motivation here, if you can throw yourself out there and be okay to trust and be surprised by the new discoveries about yourself, you're always motivated. So even motivation here, the willpower, motivation and outcome, all of these are byproducts, all of these are outcomes, not the root cause. Yeah, I love that. So if someone keeps on saying, well, I just, I want to lose weight. It's all about weight loss for me. The way I'm going to feel better about myself is, is when I lose weight, they're focused on that negative. If you cannot have self-worth right now, getting your ideal skill number is not going to find yourself worse. Because here's the thing. When you keep telling yourself that I'm not worthy because I don't have a certain number, what you're really telling yourself and telling your mind is that I'm not enough. You do that daily, probably a few times daily. And after months and years, that is going to be the certain belief that sticks because beliefs is just the thought they keep thinking about. Then you, let's say you do some extreme diets and you've got to the point of let's say 140 pounds and you finally feel this is the number I want, but you've lost the ability to actually think positively about yourself. So this is what I tell my clients. If you want to train yourself to become the person who feels worthy about themselves, it starts now. It's not after you have lost those 50 pounds, let's say 12 months later, because at that time, even if the number is desirable, you're not going to feel good about yourself. That's another whole different layer is when you deprive yourself and you get there, considering if you're doing some kind of diet. your experience will be very different. I'm talking about the everyday life that you're living is very different because you keep thinking about how to not satisfy myself in order to get there. Even if you get there, your life experience is still on that trend. It's a different, it's the opposite trend. Because you know that if I go lose a little bit, it's gonna all come back. So you're constantly living in fear. and anxiety and stress and you never learn how to let go and live life. And that again is an opposite outcome that you are trying to solve. Simple takeaway is if you wanna get to the destination, first you have to be very clear about what exactly is your goal. Okay. And you have to get onto the train that take you there, not the opposite train. I love that expression. I love that. I love how you have simplified it to just get on the dang train and ride it. Trust the process. Many high achievers, many athletes have heard, trust the process, trust the process, trust the process. And even in saying that at some point, some of these high achievers will do the opposite. Because they are used to micromanage. A lot of them are used to feel being in control. So they feel like if I count the calories, if I count the macros, that gives me a sense of productivity and control. But that's the opposite game we're playing here. If you think about climbing the career ladder or winning the award or, you know, building a business, you think about qualities that bring you to those outcomes. These are anti-human nature qualities because you have to get up early. You have to run an extra mile. nature is like, we want to be lazy and do nothing, But that's the qualities that you will need to have in order to win those games because you want to be better than most people. But here, when it comes to just having a normal life with food, normal relationship with yourself, it's not the same game at all. It's the opposite game. A lot of time it's about letting go and starting to feel going back to this place of neutrality and not resisting so that your body can do the work. Most people don't understand it. Your body has the ability to self-correct. But when you are suppressing the need, this is what I see a lot. Most people after they've done diets, after years, they no longer even have the sense of acuity and sensibility to many things. They want the body to function just naturally and normally. For example, they don't feel hunger or fullness on a timely basis anymore. And if you lost track of that, That's not working for you. Guess what? You were primed to overheat all the time for years and decades. Some people are naturally favoring over sweetened food without realizing these are over sweetened. Honestly, when I'm making bacon and muffin, using some YouTube recipes, for me and my family, half of the sugar amount as required by the recipe is sweet enough for us. if you have things to this place where not enough amount of sugar is enough for you, then you are keeping the being driven to want more and more sugar. And that's the thing that can be retrained. most of those, come back to the previous point that we made, majority of these is nurtured, not nature. Lifetime, a lifetime of experience. One of the things I keep hearing you say is finding this place of neutrality. There was something you taught me in our pre-recorded session about the question to ask yourself, to bring yourself to neutral. What is it? One of the questions I tell them my clients to ask themselves before they join, before they actually officially enroll in the program is, what is the best thing for me at this moment? Well, when you ask yourself this question, you bring your attention back to yourself and you bring yourself to this time and space right now. And it's not a question, it's an open-ended question. So you actually let your mind come up with the answer instead of. having a presumed answer because that's a lot of policy a lot of people look for when my clients initially I give them this question several of them were like oh I'm gonna switch it to a different question that resonates better for me I'm like what is that question you ask should I have it or not have it speaking of the scenario when they're seeing the ice cream that should I have it or should not should I not have it as a big mistake because when I ask you the question what I want you to ask yourself What is the best thing for me right now? This is a place of neutrality. You might come up with a genuine answer from itself and try to connect with the deeper needs. When you're asking yourself, should I, should I not? Your past training and programming for years and decades have been dismissing your needs. So what do you think is our answer that is going to come up naturally for you? But here's the thing. thing. I'm going to drop the truth here, okay? I'm just going to say it louder. Over 90 % of your cravings. cravings, for the chocolate, for the whatever, they are not cravings to begin with. These are just simple thoughts. That how do you turn them into cravings? Yes, I said, you turn them into cravings. By blindly, of course, because of past conditioning. thinking of them and labeling them silently in your mind as craving and that triggers a whole bunch of mechanism that grows it because when you resist it, it grows even bigger. So when you ask yourself, should I have it and should I not have it? You're not coming from a place of neutrality. You're basically finding a very skewed answer because of the past tendencies, which is going to make the craving bigger than it has to be. be. And a lot of people feel like if I've done something wrong and by them saying something wrong, they're really talking about eating that chocolate, which they think for sure. Again, that's a big mistake. I just think that they shouldn't. But when they think that, I've done something wrong, their next immediate action is I have to correct it without realizing that by correcting it, usually by having a diet or like fasting day afterwards, right? over correcting it. They're over correcting it. let's say if like 10 days out of this this whole year, just naming simple numbers, okay, you are you have been indulgent because of the festivals, vacations or whatever. And you feel like I have to correct those 10 days, what happens is that your next five days after one day is going to be screwed up and distorted. Right? Because now you're depriving yourself, sabotaging your time and your experience. So your entire experience is bad. But if you can just come back to the neutrality. Neutrality. You can easily release it. And you just remember, as long as I'm doing it 80 % well, that's what dominates my outcome, not the 20 % or the 10 days. You will stay on track. So another reason why neutrality is so important, especially if you're struggling with food addiction, which is also what I hope people will resolve, binge eating for example. If you resist it, it's going to persist or grow even stronger. Right? Your ultimate goal is not fighting. It's not going into the war against your own needs. Your ultimate goal is detachment. Meaning that you sit in front of this thing that used to make you reach it all the time, but you're not feeling the trigger. That's the ultimate goal. Now I'm telling you this, neutrality is a pre-condition to detachment. If you cannot come to this place of neutrality, you're not gonna have that kind of detachment. And that detachment is what leads you to freedom, peace, and the end of the self-sabotaging cycle, which is really the key to sustainable long lasting weight loss and fitness and wellness. So it all starts from neutrality. But if you over-correct, thinking that you're just correcting a mistake, every single correction I've seen, OK, one more time, they are over-correcting it. It's not necessary. Leslie, wow. I'm thinking about my athletes going, yeah, they love to overcorrect. And to bring them back to neutral is really hard because they're so hard on themselves. And it's that high performing, high achievement women. And that, exactly, that's where just bringing them back to neutral. Brilliant. to give them and facilitate for them the experience that going neutral is all that's needed for you to get to your goal. Initially, they can't believe it. They're so fearful about a neutral. It's because they think I have to work harder. I have to manage it, right? have to micromanage it. But when they have stepped into the experience and seen neutrality actually brings results. And they keep reinforcing that by building the memory and the data we talked about. keep enhancing that belief. It all goes back to initially we talked about where does the belief... come from. It's those memories, this is data. If you can reshape someone's memory, that's actually what I do rigorously with my clients is at the beginning, you come, you join it. it. Yes, we learn how to approach food, gas, also on parallel, we're working on is reshaping the memory. We're shuffling the data so that you actually have a solid base on the psychology front to work on. So actually, I will allow... positive experience and thoughts and emotional state of being to Yeah, that's brilliant and beautiful and exactly the path that you and I are on is reshaping people's memory, which is really, it just boils down to emotion because a memory is tied mostly to emotion. The movie Inside Out should have given people plenty of information about that. Yeah, about emotion, there's another interesting insight. That's also fully backed by science. People feel like, it's my thoughts that controls my emotion. And that emotion is going to funnel or deliver whatever experience they have. It has to. over. Your brain, I talked about the consistency, the brain's tendency to drive consistency between belief and effort earlier. And I said the effort is going to be easily bent over to match belief. Now there is another layer about consistency that our brain is driving. Hear me out. The brain drives thoughts, manufactures thoughts that are consistent with your emotional state of being. So if you are in anxiety kind of mode, that's... torrent is going to make sure that you get anxiety-fueling thoughts. So a lot of times people, what is that phrase in English? Sorry, no native speaker here. Wagging the tail or something like or. that? The dog wags the tail, not the tail wags the dog. Thank you for helping me. People think that I have to... shift my thoughts in order to have different different emotional experience. I mean, that would be very hard. That would be very hard. Okay, because your brain is working and start. It wants to be in safety mode. Our brains are designed to stay in safety mode. Ooh. If it is a thought, it will be very, hard for your brain to sponsor and to keep. It is because now it's in the, let's say, negative emotional state of being. So your thought may not register. You're trying so hard to input the data, but the data is not staying in. But if this is a fact, Okay? Even if there's something that you think to be fact, it doesn't matter. If it recognizes it as fact, it cannot fight it because it knows it's a fact. It's a categorized label of fact. So if you want to shift your emotional state of being by changing your thoughts, I'm telling you, it's not gonna be easy. It's what I explained earlier. But it is fact. that illustrates and gaslights and lead you to a completely different perception of belief. It's much easier. So what you need to do in this circumstance is loom honestly within and search within your memory. Again, memory, okay? Database. Imagine we're all machines. You go back into the database, the memory, and you find out the facts. genuine facts, choose that lead you to a different feeling. then that's how you turn it. That's the good pole. Thoughts? Weak. Facts? Strong. Because you don't even need to believe it, you just know it. does that dispel affirmations or does that support affirmations? is supports, okay, affirmation is, it cannot be the standalone strategy. Affirmation needs to be again, a byproduct, a supplementary auxiliary kind of tool that is also a byproduct because here, if you live in that experience that points you to the right, the positive belief, those affirmation are going to pop up on its own. That's why I said this is the byproduct. But if you're not living the experience, if you're not gathering the right data, you do as many affirmations you want. You're not going to believe it. People feel like I have to transform myself. It's actually not that at all. What you need to do, you so already know what you want. You're so already know that you're fully capable. But here's the thing. What you need to train is this faculty, this body here between your ears. Because right now it's running by different algorithm that is pretty much. much leading you to different outcomes and experiences. So a lot of time, I remind my clients that, hey, be neutral about it, don't overthink. You have nothing wrong with you. You just need to train this little machine here. And it's so trainable. I tell you, order to convert and transform your sense of satiety, I can get you there within two weeks so that you will never ever have the problem of overeating. You naturally... put your knack and fork down. when you're full without thinking about it. Your taste buds, simple, a few weeks. It can all be retrained back to neutral. We're not over-correcting. Neutral is good enough with the right strategy and structure. Do you find that people with addiction, addiction to food or addiction to expelling their body from food, anorexia, bulimia, those are the people that end up in the 60 percentile that are struggling or are they faster to shift their beliefs? Okay, here's the thing. I've thought about it. This is a really good question. It doesn't matter how deeply troubled you are in a problem, because I've got clients who have been binging every day or every other day for years. That whenever they come onto the program, that's actually the video interviews are on my website. So they come into the program, they start seeing this new reality and different experience and they never go back and it's effortless. I've also seen people who are really achieved. and supposed to be not struggle with this at all with the new belief and they find themselves rejecting the new beliefs three to four weeks in even if they have done so well and received and seen so many great results I can tell you the person's level of impulsivity okay it's one big factor to think about so one of the questions I ask everybody before they join join, before I decide whether to let them join. There are questions pointing to situations. have to be mentally and physically ready for it. One of the things, you coming with problems with ADHD? Because there is a strong correlation between impulsivity and ADHD. It doesn't mean it's a deal breaker, but when there is ADHD in play, I need to know. And I need to keep that in mind. I still have clients with ADHD able to totally transform it, but it just in a certain part of the modules will need some add-ons to facilitate that change better and they need to feel more secure. most of your incoming clients know whether they're ADHD or do they find out when they're working with you? Like, I probably have ADHD. Most of them will tell me either I have it, it's diagnosed, or I've found some questionnaires or plenty of online questionnaires, I have a tendency. But the thing is, if this is not diagnosed, I tell them for sure, don't take it for granted. That's your perception about it. And it's your perception about it. can easily become a belief that works against you. But let's try this and work things out to see how it actually goes. And a lot of them actually find out it's actually not as bad as I If the person has been diagnosed with ADHD, you just need to do a better, I just need to do a better job in terms of walking them through the mechanism so that they actually see hope. It's about perception eventually. It's 90 % a mind game. You can do it. You can have the skillset, but if you don't have the confidence, you can do it slash believe they can do it. You're not gonna get there. Belief is key. Belief is truly key. we're talking about neuroscience. Yeah. this has been amazing. I've been loving it. I've been loving it. And I'm more than happy to come back to continue the conversation because... much more to talk about. want to talk about meditation, right? We talked about affirmations and we talked about hypnosis very briefly about hypnosis, but meditation is another one I want to talk about. need to talk about why, you know, a big portion, a big percentage of what you see right in front of you is not even true. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. We're painting our own. We're painting our own perception day in and day out that that huh? Yes, we're we're doing that Leslie. You're coming back and we're doing that. I know some people are like, the new age stuff. No, I'm actually going to walk you through the science behind why. Vision. there's a ton of science behind it. And Dr. Dr. Joe Dispenza was one of the forefront people to actually mainstream it, which I love. But there were so many other studies before him that pushed him into this direction. Yes, please. to get people to think, OK? I'm going to drop another bomb. You may know this. You may not know this. OK, hear me out. Your brain. No, your, yes, your brain. Your routine, let me put this away, OK? Doesn't have the construct that allows you to see things, the world in front of you and, you know, just kind of this visual field, we call it. It doesn't have the construct for you to see. thing that you can see clearly with color and light, okay? Is this object right in front of you. This is within a small angle. Everything else is formulated by your expectation. Where does your expectation come from? We talked about it. I want to reiterate it. Belief. Memory. You go somewhere. I can't see the wall behind me unless I look at my monitor here, but I believe it's behind me. you. It's what I'm talking about the person that is within, let's say, 35 degree in front of you or anything that is not right in front of you. Those visions are highly, highly questionable. Yep. about it, majority of what you see is not true. It's fabricated. Yep. And man, we can dive down that rabbit hole so deep. am looking forward to that conversation. We're on a climb, we're on a hard stop. are, yes. Leslie, where can people find you on the internet so that they can learn more about what you do or dive into your program? So they can find me on LinkedIn. I'm pretty active there nowadays. I have a TikTok which I will try my best to update more. if you... Yes, nice thing. And you can also find me at www.riseling.com. And it's spelled as R-I-S-E-L-E-A-N.com. That'll be in the show notes. So everybody can find it and check out all the amazing things that you are doing in the world of neuroscience belief and getting people to believe and trust in themselves. That's really what you're doing. But of course that that ties into weight loss. Exactly. Exactly. my gosh. Right. Leslie. Thank you so much. You're very welcome and I enjoy the conversation. I'm going to go have a glass of wine now.

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