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Unlocking the Secrets of Epigenetics for Peak Performance

• Amanda Smith • Episode 58

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In this week’s episode, we’re talking with Susan Robbins about the fascinating world of epigenetics and how it impacts our performance. Susan is sharing her insights on optimizing performance by understanding one's unique health type and the importance of aligning activities with natural biological rhythms. 

In this Episode:  

00:00 Understanding Epigenetics 

06:31 Personal Journey and Transformation 

12:51 Optimizing Performance Through Epigenetics 

18:19 The Science Behind Personalized Health 

34:33 Creating Your Ideal Environment 

 

Here’s how to connect with Susan Robbins: 

Instagram: @susanrobbins_epigeneticcoach 
Faceboook: https://www.facebook.com/susanrobbinshealthyawakening 
Schedule a FREE consultation, send an email to susan@healthyawakening.co 
Visit the website: healthyawakening.co 
Podcast website: everydayepigenetics.co 

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Susan Robbins, thank you so much for saying yes to being on Spirit of an Athlete with me and sharing your knowledge about epigenetics and pattern recognition really and helping people understand their, their body. So thank you. Thank you for having me. As soon as we chatted, I was like, yes, I need to be on here. The cat does too, apparently. I think as he sees me go on air, he wants to be here. Heck yes, he's a show cat. can see it. All right, so Susan, help our audience understand what in the world is epigenetics. Yeah, usually what I say, I'm an epigenetic human performance coach. get the deer in the headlights and they go, epi what? So epigenetics, very simply put, is how your lifestyle and environment affect how your genes express. So our genes don't change, but the expression of them does. So your lifestyle and environment, the choices you make, affect how those genes will express and what we see with them. So we have control over about 95 % of what our DNA does. And that's what people don't realize. Let's use you as an example for this. give me what you didn't know before you became this expert when you were in CrossFit and when you were a police officer. I a hot mess. didn't know. I'm very blunt and very direct and this is part of how I was created. So I, what I have come to find out learning about myself, learning how I was formed in the womb, the predominant hormones that drive me, I have the predominant hormones of newer adrenaline and testosterone, which makes me very direct, very competitive. I also have a very close secondary with another that is oxytocin. the intimacy hormones, I'm all about connection. So you think about that, CrossFit, community, social, competitive. First thing I do walk in, look at the whiteboard, right? And go, look at the people that I knew were very comparable to my abilities and go, I need to beat that, beat that time, beat those reps, whatever, first thing, right? And as you see, I'm a very direct communicator. That's that testosterone in there, just very direct. So you see how it fit into the CrossFit part of me. And also means I made more, not as much for endurance, but if you think about a cat, like the one that just jumped up, right? If I go out in the living room and look in 15 minutes, he'll be crashed. And then all of a sudden he's flying around. And that's what this body type does. We are made for that high intensity, there's quick bursts. We have to work hard, play hard and rest hard. So. All the times I tried all the different workouts, I found CrossFit. was like, the heavens opened and it was ideal for me, not knowing that this was why this was ideal. And then you bring that into the cop world, law enforcement. I'm very quick to react. Sometimes good, sometimes not so good. was pretty, it's pretty good. need to make a quick life or death decision to be able to think on the fly and be spontaneous. so it really helped me there. great problem solving skills. And that's that secondary because it's like multitasking. I'm very adept with that. So all these things I started finding out and then needing movement in my life every day. I need to move. So it never, I was never at the point. I always wanted to be more fit, more fit in the academy police academy back in 2002. I was the second oldest one at 36 and I had the highest overall fitness score of all the men and women in. And now I see this is just basically how I made it. I needed to beat everybody, including myself. But the, you know, the two fit really well for me. I just wasn't living according to how I should be living to do either of those optimally, because I'm also prone to burnout genetically because I'm go, go, go. So I need to work hard, play hard, rest hard. And that rest hard was the elusive factor. So understanding that. was huge. Was it, so was it elusive because of your work schedule? Was it elusive because of the way that you were working out and your work schedule? What was, what was the thing preventing you from getting the rest you needed? It was all of it. always thought, I thought all my life until I was 54 and found all this out that I was a night owl. So even when I came out of the academy, I worked graveyards because I said, I stay up all night. Okay. Right there. I went against, I'm actually an early bird. I am more functional in the daytime. And so I would finish a 10 hour shift and then I would go to CrossFit endurance at six 30 at night, not realizing that this is when my body is like, I need to be calm. and bringing in that sleep. So I wouldn't go to bed till midnight, one o'clock in the morning, and spent most of my life this way. And so I was perpetually tired, developed autoimmune diseases. We know that's just a body out of balance. so they were just, and I also got chronic Lyme disease in this time as well. And here I kept doing things that were just driving my body into the tank, stress. You know, exercise is great for stress, but if you're doing it at the wrong time, you're stressing and it's high intensity, which stresses the body more increases that cortisol. I'm doing that at night. I was just now you See why I said it was a hot mess. just very, very out of flow and doing the opposite of what my body and my mind really actually needed. So by understanding this at the age of 54, I'm, I mean, and it flipped like a switch. so quickly into optimal performance. was shocked. Weight loss that I couldn't shake. I was the smallest I'd been since grade school. I kid you not. And I was factor on grade school. But to get down to that weight now, it made a huge difference. Yeah, very structurally different. Muscular, mean, again, that's naturally how I'm built, but you can never see it. Yeah. So just a lot of, and then more consistent energy, the sleep times. So it's chronobiology. When you do the things you're designed to do at the times, you're designed to do it, whether it's sleeping, eating, thinking, socializing, working out, it's game changer for all performance. Okay. Let's go there. Let's go there because this is the audience is like, gotta be like I'm right now. I'm like, okay, well how do I apply all of this to myself so that I can optimize weight loss, optimize when I'm working out, optimize how I'm eating, optimize how I'm sleeping. And then also make that work within my schedule with all the other things I have to do. Like mom work, right? Okay. All right. So first off, how in the world did you find out? that you were doing things wrong. You were a hot mess. Yeah, yeah. So I now I've been certified to do DNA since 2019. I got my certification and so I started bringing in the different DNA things that I saw, which made sense to me. But I still was holding on to this weight. I was still tired because it didn't tell me exactly what I needed. Well, the end of 2020, I came across a group. And the funny thing is, you'll appreciate this. we came together, group of seven of us, looking to put together a program for high-performance athletes. And they said, do you, we'd like you to be the epigenetic, this was doing the DNA. And they said, there's another group with an epigenetic platform that's AI based out of Australia. And I'm like, I do DNA, that's, I'm far superior, which is, that's my health type. We are like the doubting Thomas going, yes, really, I'm better. I don't need that information. And it's, it looks at how you're formed in the womb, the predominant hormones that drive you. And it's got 15 layers of science in this algorithm that creates a profile that is unique to you according to how everything is currently expressing. So I started using it and that's like I said, the first thing was my coach said to me was, when do you eat breakfast? And I said, well, I don't, I intermittent fast, because that's what we're told to do. Everybody should intermittent fast, best thing since sliced bread. I said, and he said, no, mate, you should be eating about five times a day. And I said, no, I'm good with twice. And he said, no, your body is made for movement and you need to fuel that movement throughout the day. And I said, well, I'm going to get fat because I'm going to eat too much. And he said, are you going use this profile or not? I said, yes, sir, I'll use it. Right. So it's an app and it's online. So I get in there and I start using it. I I can't eat this food because I was so paleo in my head and I coached. for four years on Paleo only that this was the be all end all for everyone. And I said, wait, there's people that actually do okay with some grains. There's people that actually do okay with dairy. Who the hell would have thought? And it was blowing my mind. And so I started using it and I mean, 11 pounds came off. So that is like your user manual. It kicks out and with DNA I to do cheek swab, right? With It's called PH360 or the Shea app. With this, we do measurements to see how you were formed in the womb. We measure things like your skull, your jaw, your hands, your feet, which we are going to do with you. And that tells us all of this information. Then the algorithm comes in through this questionnaire that we do, looking at health. How often are you working out? Because someone's sedentary is going to have different requirements than someone doing 10 or more hours of activity a week, right? So all that's brought into it. And where you want to go. Do you want to build muscle, lose fat, do some of both or just maintain where you are. So it's bringing all that into play. And then by the end of it, it kicks out a profile. Like I said, that's unique to you that I say is like your user manual. DNA is a blueprint, but this is your user manual. It says, here's your ideal times to eat and why. Here's your ideal training times, types of training and why. Here's when you should be social. Here's when you should focus on your mind. Here's when you should focus on details or creativity, right down to sleep time. And it's just, it is a complete game changer to know that this is what my body and mind need for me to be optimal. So if you have an athlete and I've worked with a college basketball player and the person who brought him to me had him going to bed at one or two in the morning and waking up around nine or 10. Well, this health type is actually a morning person. And I said, you actually need to be in bed by 10 and up around eight. This was a game changer for him. He said he had no clue and how actually mind is his number one priority when you calm that body and bring that mind into nice calm stress and focus. And he had trouble also building lean muscle. And the coach told him, you need to put on 20 pounds of lean muscle this year. We knew the types of exercises to do that. Again, the timing of everything and getting that sleep the right way. And he did it. So that's how crucial Jesse changes can be. And you had asked about bringing that in. How do you bring that into a schedule that's already packed with things? If you start with priorities, there's six different priorities we work with. And I will tell you that out of the six, only one health type, and that's mine, which we call the activator, made for movement, where food and fitness are the top two. So you may not, you may be trying to prioritize that when you might be a type whose home is chaotic, it's disorganized, and it's not, or it doesn't give that feeling of awe, you don't have any personal time, that can create more stress and keep that body fat on you and keep you from optimal performance, right? That's why we have to look at the individual and then we start prioritizing. And it really is all about you have to create. you try to find time to do things, you're never going to find it. But if you create according to what you need to prioritize, you will start to get into a flow. So if you're working eight to five and you are someone who's a health type, who needs to have slow starts to mornings, you don't want to be planning to get up at five or six AM to work out. You want to do it at lunch or you want to do it later in the day or after work so that you have more energy throughout the day. So it's all about when you understand it, you start to be able to create more within those time parameters that you have as a mom and a business person. Right. And someone who wants to be an athlete too, like the other piece of the puzzle for me is I know powerlifting is something I definitely want to be doing and, and my body, my nervous system loves it. it has to be prioritized into what I'm doing, but I'm not the type. So I know my type. already took my pH 360 test and I found out that I'm a diplomat. You're an activator. I'm a diplomat. and that as far as, as when I work out, I should be working out in the afternoon. And I'm thinking back to like my college days where the coaches are like, okay, we're going to do 6 a.m. practices three days a week. And, we're going to get you done and dusted for your specific thing that you do in, in the sport. So for me, it was pitching. we're going to do that at 6 a.m. And then you're going to go off to classes at eight o'clock. and 10 o'clock were my first two classes every semester as I played softball because we had to be done with all of our school, all of our braining by two o'clock so that we could go back to softball practice. And my afternoon softball practices were phenomenal. my morning, absolute crap. But that dictated whether I was gonna be a pitcher on that team or not. And I wanna highlight this for the coaches that are listening to this episode because some of your players are not optimally working out at the times that their bodies were meant to be working out which means they are not performing at their best at that time that you're asking them to do the work. I could have been a great pitcher at a division one school if my practices were not at six o'clock in the fricking morning. very potentially because it keeps you, I'm sure you saw in the after, like the earlier afternoons, you were beat. You were tired because it's taking all you have to do that in the morning where if you can switch that up to even late morning for a diplomat, late morning, just don't do anything intense in the morning. Get outside, go for a nice relaxing walk, take your dogs out. We talked about that, right? Nice and chill. It's a beautiful way to start the day, but have that slower start. because you actually come alive in the afternoon where I'm the opposite. I'm the morning person. You want me to do something at night? It's not going to happen. Hmm. Hmm. It's I'm not I don't perform well and that's where I realized I was just running on pure adrenaline doing CrossFit at you know, 430 was okay the 630 just tanked and here I was doing the endurance stuff and It it really and I kept thinking I couldn't figure out why am I getting worse? Why do I feel worse? Why do all these things keep happening? Because my body was just so taxed and I think that's what you see I mean, it's after school, right? So you're to see most practices in the afternoon, which is actually ideal for both health types or all health types. I'm sorry. I was thinking of yours in mind because we are opposites on the circle. and, so it totally makes sense to, know, afternoon is ideal, but you like night games. early, early morning, your body's still trying to wake up even to put food in it or early when you wake up is taxing on the body. So you see a lot of body composition issues and then performance. just understanding how you're for coaches, how your players are, what hormones are driving them. Even understanding is it competition driving them? Is it goals? Are they just goal oriented? Is it the social aspect? You always have, aren't the captains a lot of the times of a lot of the teams, like your people just going, I just want to take care of everybody, make sure everybody's good. Not so much the performance, but just want to make sure everybody's good, right? on if the coach picked the captain or the players picked the captain. There is a difference there. Big difference because the coach is going to be all about the performance and the team players, like there are the players, they can kind of jam more on that nurturing ability of that captain to make sure everybody's good and they have what they need and that helps the performance. So yeah, the more you understand, the more it helps you in all aspects of life. And you think about student athletes when it comes down to when's the best study times. Right? Right? You put all of this together, you have a much better performing athlete and student. getting set and the foods, the foods that the basketball player, you know, he was still eating a lot of processed foods. And I said, let's cut the process. He had his own apartment, which was great. So he was able to cook. And I said, let's cut out some of these heavily processed things and go more towards the whole foods. He was still, you he didn't have any health issues. So he was still able to eat, you know, specific foods, like eat some pasta once in a while, but we got him onto better, better types of things. And he stayed away from the cafeteria. hamburger buns and crap like that. And again, he was able to put lean muscle on. It was just a game changer. highlight one of the things that you said about how they put all of how they came up with this algorithm that spits out what type you are 15 different sciences what does that mean There's things in there. So when they did the research looking at the sciences that really were proven to work, you have things in their chronobiology, okay. The embryology, this is how we're looking at how you're formed in the womb. And then you have things like Ayurvedics, which I knew you did. As soon as again, we started talking, it was like, my gosh, Ayurveda and Chinese medicine. These are, medicines that have been around for years. What learned any of us? And they saw that these are they're highly impactful. So you'll see on a profile, like I said, you'll see why to eat some of these things. And you'll see that these are warming foods, cooling foods. This all comes from those practices. And they're hugely impactful. Yeah. I look at my clients, I love to be able to profile them, right? And go, okay, so Ayurvedically, you're either, and there's three doshas in Ayurveda, Pitta, Vata and Kava. And to be able to know this is what your type is and this is where you're imbalanced. And then be able to give them a diet based on that because that's the beauty of what Ayurveda does. And then of course there's all the herbs and then Chinese medicine. What I love about Chinese medicine is, going down the meridians and feeling into each of those meridians and understanding, okay, your heart meridians a little off, your liver meridians a little off, and here's what we need to do in order to impact that. just, to hear that those two sciences in particular are thrown into this mix of 15 sciences combined. And then of course, we're looking at just DNA. Truly, the DNA level of this is what you were born with. This is how you, your cells built and how your DNA came together in the womb. Yeah. Yes. looking at problems. Everybody's always looking at problems. This is wrong and this is wrong. When do we look at, it's just the body is out of balance. The body is out of flow. What is disease? You're out of balance. Like there's homeostasis. So why don't we start looking at what does this body need and when to be optimal? And that's a whole mindset change because we know that mindset creates, that's a reality and that creates either crap. you know, with how our body works or it, it creates, what's the word I'm looking for? teamwork with the body, right? For lack of a word that I can't. Yes, there. Thank you. Okay. It's my Monday. I had very long, very beautiful. Yeah, this actually is. I'm supposed to be on fire. So this is good and you're just this is good for both of us. You're just coming into it. So, yeah But when we when we again the more we understand and it also I think is super helpful because when you have What say you're pushing? pushing a student athlete to be super competitive That's not how they're created They're more they're they're all about the teamwork. The team is not just the me And the more you push that competitive, like some parents do, it's like, have to do this. Not understanding that, it can really create a lot of issue within the body to try to be who you're not. So the more you understand what drives you, who you are, you know, I've always been the loud, the boisterous, the direct one. And people say, you know, you're too much. Since I was, you know, since I was young, you're too much. my God, what's all this connection? Why do you need so much connection? Everyone's alone. to deal with being alone, things like that, right? And you hear these things and then you start to apologize or you start to adhere to what your environment needs, where we should be creating the environment that is conducive to what we need in all aspects. And that's really what it's about. I love that. That, that needs to be highlighted. Create the environment that you need, not just deal with the environment you were given. That's hard to do for some people. That's really hard to do for some people because they're, probably saying the same things that I was earlier. well, I'm a mom. have to, you know, take my kid to school and pick her up at certain times. And that's dictated by the school, which means that. You know, I don't get a slow start, but I do get out and do my walk first thing in the morning. Cause I know that's what my body needs. And that was, you know, by 42 years of self discovery and to be able to just go take a lovely AI test, pH three 60 test and go, well shoot. So here's the things that I need to change. I'm no longer working out in the morning. My food timing is definitely different. Trying to cram in breakfast before my day kicks off by taking my daughter to school at 730 in the morning. Yeah, yeah, nobody doesn't enjoy that at all. So. And some diplomas do, they're one of the ones that actually do well with intermittent fasting. And I, so I, and I have a lot of diplomats say, you know, I don't always want to eat breakfast. I said, don't have to, it's okay. Because you are a body that stores more and you get a bigger bang for your buck from your calories. It's okay if you don't want to eat breakfast. the wrist is one of those tests that tell us if we're endomorphic or exomorphic or mesomorphic, right? Those are the three. There's not more, are there? Yeah, and that's based, when you look at the PH360 health types, there's six health types. And the activator is the true meso. You've got the guardian is the true endomorph. And you've got the sensor is the true ectomorph. They're your really thin people, hard time putting on muscle. And then you've got in betweens, you have between that's part mesomorph and ectomorph, you've got the crusader. Okay. They've got that overactive brain from the sensor who has the central nervous system, predominant dermal layer and the athleticism of the activator. They're your endurance people because yes, they're athletic, but not like me. They want to go out and they want to do all the endurance to get out of their head. So you see a lot of triathletes. Think of Dave Goggins. Okay. He's a crusader from hell. That right dopamine driven, there's that bloody stumps of feet on his right. doesn't stop, right? They see that goal and the blinders are on. So they have the two of those and you have the connector as part mesomorph endomorph. And so your connectors and activators were shorter, more muscular, very agile, strong on the connect, really strong in the connector side, tend to populate the CrossFit gyms. When you walk in, don't you tend to see a lot of smaller, like you're shorter, little, right? And then you have your Diplomat is part of the sensor and part of the, which is the ectomorph and then part of the endomorph, which is the guardian. And depending on where they are in the circle, if it's closer up towards the guardian, you're going to see the bigger people. You just carry more muscle, more body fat, love the power stuff. Now someone said, you're to go do 200 meters sprints. You're like, God, no, we're I'm like all over 200 meters sprints. Right. But you tell me I have to power lift. I'm going to try to throw. you know, a hundred pounds over my head, ew, right? So this is where, you know, our strengths come in. And then you see a diplomat that's more down on the sensor area. They're going to be typically thinner and have more trouble putting on muscle. And you don't want them throwing very heavy things over their head, especially on their cuspus sensor, because they're not going to have as much of that muscle mass where it's going to be a little, little less safe. to be doing super heavy things. So again, when you understand where someone is, but that's where it's all endo, ecto, and then there are the combinations of the two. Interesting. So I feel like I was a different bone structure size before I started powerlifting. And I feel like my bones literally had to get stronger, bigger, to become a powerlifter. So when I was, I remember getting introduced to the wrist measurement where your, your fingers either touch overlap or they don't come together. And I remember doing that in high school and I was a slight overlap. And now as a power lifter, I'm a slight gap. And it's interesting to look at just that piece of the measurements and go, okay, did I change? I, or, or am I actually honoring more of what I should have been the whole time? Yeah, it shouldn't change the bone mass itself, but it also could be inflammation. There's some of the things that we measure. Your elbow, and I've seen people as they've dropped weight and their inflammation goes down, the joints go down, right? Like I thought, I always used to say when I was overweight, I mean, I was up to what, 100, I'm five foot one and I've been up over 170 pounds. So I was a little butterball. And I used to say, well, I'm just bigger boned. So he says, I'm just bigger boned. And then when I lost the weight, realized just how small my bone structure actually is. And that's why we measure things. I've seen the jaw. When you start to drop the swelling here, that even gets smaller. Neck is a huge, we measure neck, that's a huge marker of diabetes. Everybody thinks it's just the belly. Right, so that's why it's very specific measurements. People say, I did my measurements and I can turn them in. And I said, no, I guarantee you didn't do the measurements. I'm gonna have you do. Down to ankles, knees. And so the profile is always going to meet you where you are. So we always remeasure about every four to six weeks. So it's meeting you where you are and it'll see changes and it will adjust the foods accordingly. I love that. I love that. All right. I mean, you're right. I'm geeking out over it because it is it's changing the way that I am treating myself. I'm you know, most of us are the tree in the forest and we can't see the forest and we don't know we're a part of it. And so it's seeing these different patterns and understanding it. And one of the things that I keep on going back to for myself is I'm continually gaining weight and I know I'm in perimenopause. So that plays a role in this, but also why it doesn't make sense to me why that continues to happen month over month over month. And I remember bringing this up on a podcast episode that I record back in March and here we are. It's October when we're recording this one and same thing. I'm going, I'm still gaining weight. and something's got to give. And I feel like this is, I'm finally going to get to see the patterns of a diplomat and better understand why in the world this continues to happen and then make the shift. Yeah, it's a missing piece. It honestly is a missing piece. I have so many clients, the majority of my clients are diplomats, biggest non responder to exercise. A lot of it again, it's timing, told you're lazy. And so the... Why does my brain just stop? So majority of my clients are diplomats for this reason. And they're told the generic things of you need to go high protein, you need to go low carb. We look at labs and some of the labs are frightening. But I've had so many that started out with keto and starts turning the other way. And we see it, like I said, in lab work. We'll see insulin start going up, glucose go up, but I'm not eating carbs. How is this happening? Because of these other lifestyle things, in a high cortisol body, you're still stressing it more and more and more. And then what do these bodies of Diplomat and Guardian do? They store under stress. So there's just so many things that come into play. You see it though, I've had, I think I've had five clients now on my podcast have come on to talk about their experiences and four of them were diplomats. I just had a guardian male who we turned his blood work around in six weeks from all high risk, the worst labs I've ever seen dropped 33 pounds. I have more clients than not say I have not been able to lose weight for years. that are losing weight. had another one last week. She's like, my God, I finally broke my point. And this is within the first month or two. I broke that threshold that I haven't been able to break in years. And to just see the scale going the right way, but we know it's not just about the weight, the energy, consistent energy levels, better sleep, and just owning authentically who they are instead of apologizing for who we are, that you're too loud. Maybe with... with one, have sensor and they're very autonomous. get overwhelmed with too much. They need so much me time. And she had friends constantly saying, well, come on, just suck it up and come out with us. So she would. To appease, everybody else. And now she says, I get it. I know it's the me time I need. This is where I recharge. Unlike my friends. I'm going to not, I'm not, I apologize to all these years. I'm not apologizing anymore. So, you know, I don't apologize for being competitive anymore. Even during Game of Monopoly, I'm cutthroat. I like to win. My step kids years ago and they looked at, I remember they looked at their dad and they said, doesn't she realize we're little kids? Hey, it's all fair in Monopoly. Activator, didn't know, but that's just who I am, right? So again, the more we understand about ourselves and the more authentic we are, the more beautiful and amazing quality of life we live. It's just nobody knows this exists. That's why I started my podcast after being afraid to come out and put yourself out here because that's what we do as podcasters. We're putting ourselves out here and that's frightening. Right. And if I guess if you're getting haters nowadays, you're doing something right. But people don't know that personalized health exists. There's DNA companies doing DNA out there. Yes. And that's why I it. I don't coach only on DNA because it's not detailed enough. So I say that's your blueprint doesn't change every user manual. I combine the two. but I also have another coach working with me now who's also a pH expert and she's doing pH only for people. So we have so many ways that people can work with my group to achieve what they need to achieve. Now, as far as kids, there is pH for kids, but typically we need a child to at least be through puberty. Got it. Yeah, the data is limited by puberty. Yeah, yeah. Makes sense. That makes a lot of sense because it gives you different gene expressions. Yep, but there is a PH 360 for kids, like I said, that they'll type your child so you understand how to raise a child according to who they are instead of who we want them to be. No, Ted, gonna go find that drop us, drop me that so I can also put that in the show notes. So where can people find you on the internet so that they can come and get their profile and understand better who they are and how they should be using their body. Sure. All my consults are free. And you can reach me at healthyawakening.co, not .com. If you hit .com, it's going to come right back to you. So healthyawakening.co, my podcast, you can really take deep dives more into this and it's in a very relatable way, is everydayepigenetics.co. And the podcast is Everyday Epigenetics Raw Wheel Relatable, because I want it to be relatable to the layman and not this deep science that You have to look up every term. We should be able to have things we can put into daily use. So that's where that is. And it's all things lifestyle and environment and how they affect our genetic expression. You can email me, Susan at healthyawakening.co. And yeah, check me out. But all my consults are no charge to find out what you're looking to accomplish and see if we are fit. Because we have to be a fit on both sides to work together. You have to be ready to make those changes and be your best self. Yes. Okay. You guys go get a free consult to find out at a minimum, which type you are from the pH three 60 and then how to use that information. Because I did, I did do my, my test and it didn't give me a whole lot of information. It gave me a couple of chunks. Like you should be working out later in the day. You should have a slower start in the morning, those kinds of things, but there are specific stuff that I can't wait to talk to you about. when we do our consultation so that I know how to better use this body. So you guys go, go get the free consultation. Susan has your back, especially if you have some big goals or some little goals, or you just, you know, don't feel like you're using your body properly and you really would like to know how to do that. Yep. If you don't feel amazing and most people feel like just something is off, then let's talk and get you optimal because we should all feel amazing and not just good. That's not good enough. Yep. I know for me, my goal is to look the way that I feel. I have lots of muscle on this body. I would like to look like I have a lot of muscle on this body. That's right. That's right. You want to feel the same. Sure. Totally get it. Susan, thank you so much for joining us and sharing your knowledge about epigenetics and really understanding how to use this body the way it was meant to be used. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me on. I've definitely enjoyed the conversation. My fellow Coloradans. I know. Definitely.

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