Adaptability and Resilience for High Performers with Dr. Erika Schultz

In this episode of "Spirit of an Athlete," host Amanda Smith speaks with Dr. Erika Schultz, a doctor of Chinese medicine and acupuncture, and a master foundational nutritionist. They delve into their personal health journeys, focusing on overcoming chronic health issues. Amanda shares her healing experiences and excitement about collaborating with Dr. Schultz, who introduces her "Resiliency Method." This method helps high performers and athletes heal naturally by addressing root causes of health issues, such as hormonal changes, toxins, and neurological disorders. The episode emphasizes the importance of a structured, holistic approach to health and healing.

In this Episode:  

• (00:01:37)  Dr. Schultz shares her personal health struggles, starting with seizures during puberty and early health issues.
• (00:09:36)  Exploration of genetic factors and environmental toxins contributing to chronic health problems.
• (00:13:01)  Dr. Schultz explains the significance of viruses in health and their relationship with the immune system.
• (00:18:06)  Discussion on how toxic overload affects the nervous system and impedes effective healing processes.
• (00:23:27)  Exploration of how mitochondrial dysfunction affects high-performing athletes and their performance.
• (00:25:32)  Explanation of inflammation's role in healing and the need for controlled inflammation rather than uncontrolled.
• (00:27:17) Overview of the second phase in healing, focusing on cellular detox and addressing phlegm in the body.
• (00:29:00) Discussion on how healing processes can reverse food sensitivities rather than impose restrictions.
• (00:30:55) Emphasis on the importance of adaptability and resilience in achieving true health.
• (00:34:30) Insight into the complexities of nutritional science and the benefits of whole foods over isolates.
• (00:35:08) Information on how listeners can connect with Dr. Erika for consultations and support.

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Welcome back to spirit of an athlete. I'm your host Amanda Smith creator of the Gutsy Chick quiz at Gutsy Chick Quiz. Com if you want to know what your athletic mindset might be doing to your healing process, go take the quiz. On this episode, I invited my friend and doctor Erika Schultz. She is a doctor of Chinese Medicine and acupuncture as well as a master foundational nutritionist. In this episode, she shares her resiliency method that she's been developing for years, which helps high performers and athletes heal from their chronic health conditions naturally. I'm working with her because I believe that I've hit a plateau on my healing journey, and I know that she's going to help push me through to the other side. The way she explains it in this episode is brilliant, and I hope you stick around to hear what she has to say. Doctor Erika Schultz, welcome to spirit of an athlete. Thank you so much for joining us to really talk about all things you do. Yeah, I'm glad to be here. Thanks for having me, Amanda. You're welcome. And thank you. Okay, so share a little bit about your personal health journey, because I think that'll set us up for helping people better understand who you are and what you're about. Yeah, absolutely. Uh, it kind of all starts with the healer trying to heal herself. And that's definitely a part of my story. My path for certain. Yeah, you can resonate with that. Absolutely. That's why we're talking to each other today. Uh, seeing those trials and tribulations and, uh, definitely something that's an ongoing scenario, for sure. Um, but it really started for me, actually, when I was really hitting puberty. Um, as soon as my hormones started to change, I started having, um, brain and nervous system issues and dysregulation by. And that looked like the start of grand mal seizures. Um, so kind of my story went from, uh, when I was ten years old, if I took a step back, that was probably about age 12 when I had my first one. Uh, at age ten, I had shingles on my face. On my face. Um, and, uh, they took pictures of me for the medical books because I'd never seen it so young and expression. And then, um, somewhere around age, probably 8 or 9, I stepped on a rusty nail, had a shot that I don't believe is any longer on the market. So I think probably there was some pre genetic disposition that started with my grandmother, um, having sort of like absence types of seizures. My mom remembers. Um, and then, um, you know, a cascade of the right toxins at, you know, just let enough, um, exposure to those led to enough, you know, immune suppression. And then, you know, the old little chicken pox virus was, uh, rearing its ugly head and literally on my face, affecting my cranial nerves. And, um, ultimately, that led to a situation where, um, and I come from a family where my parents were sort of naturally minded. Anyways, we tried to, um, to address it with, with supplementation and ironically, supplementation that I use today, just that in a way that sorted out and figured out so that it actually works for me. Um, and we'll talk more about that as we get into the process. But yeah. Scary stuff. Um, eventually, just as an impressionable young teenager, I did not want to look different than my peers, and I begged them to just put me on the medication. I used that for a long time to manage them. And, um, gratefully, I didn't have, like, the most of severe cases either. Um, but I got to fast forward into my adulthood, and I always knew in the back of my mind that I was really covering something up, uh, and that I wasn't really getting to the root cause. I was willing to take that, um, because it, uh, let me live my life. Um, but because of the fact that I wasn't getting to the root cause, by the time I got into my 30s, my health was kind of in a. And it's like, lowest point. And, um, I needed I knew I needed to do something. I didn't know exactly what it looked like until my twin sister who was learning this nutritional testing technique actually. Really? Like said, you've got to try this. I was it was at the end of my first year of grad school when I was studying Chinese medicine, getting my master's in Chinese medicine and acupuncture. Health tanked in the digger. I was like, I'll do anything. I didn't think I was going to make it through the next few years. And, um, went to start, saw this lady, got everything put in the right order at the right time, um, in the right amounts. It made all the difference. I went from not thinking I was going to make it through the next three years, to being inspired to learn everything I could about functional medicine, functional nutrition, root cause medicine. And that just parlayed nicely. Uh, and started my practice, actually, when I was still in grad school for, uh, becoming an acupuncturist. So that actually has become the majority. I started seeing clients, was still in school, started going to every seminar on the weekends I could, um, so just like almost doing way more than I probably should have at that time of my life. Um, but it's a great basis, a great tone. And, um, now the majority of my practice is actually in the realm of doing nutritional medicine, which, um, for which I've combined, uh, all of my experience into probably the most comprehensive, taking the best of, um, modern techniques and preventative and, uh, root cause medicine. That means functional medicine, integration, foundational medicine and quantum medicine. And then underlying that is some of the ancient medicine principles that worked for a long time ago that we, um, know. And so I've just brought all of those things into culmination. And now we have a trademark process called the resiliency method. Okay. Yeah. Practice. All right. Let's go back to puberty. Yeah. What is it about puberty or any major hormone shift that really sets us off? Because this was when all of my food issues started. And for me, it was, um, you know, looking back, I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah, I had a food intolerance, gluten at that time. And, uh, it really showed up for me at a psychological level. If you ask my brother, he would tell you I was crazy. And if you asked my mom, she would say that you were not stable. But we expected that because you're a female with hormones, right? Right. So what is it about that time frame that that throws the body out of whack? Because that's when your grand mal seizure started. Yeah, I think it's a good question. I think it's probably a combination of, uh, being in that body for long enough. Right. It's always easier to address situations that haven't been around as long. Right. So at that stage, you've got a good decade underneath your belt. Um, so there's already been some duration of living with a situation where there's some deterioration happening in your body, some of which may have even been inherited, some of it which may have been exposure to your environment. Um, I was eating all sorts of Kellogg's cereal prior to that. Um, so I was definitely had enough exposure to glyphosate and such that, um, my ability to manage that toxic load that just kept on compiling on itself. Right. Um, and then we get to the point where now there's some, some degradation that's happened not only in that ten plus years, but maybe also some priests that by bringing my parents together with their genetic makeup, also had some scenarios that I was predisposed to. Um, because later when what started to happen is, uh, I noticed that, um, so I was telling you about my mom's, uh, my mom's mom and grandmother who I never met, having some of the neurological signals as she was, you know, a young woman. And then also, though it was on my dad's side of the family, too, because I had a cousin that would have really severe migraines. Those brain patterns actually work, um, or show the same on an EEG. And, uh, so they're very similar in terms of what's going on neurotransmitter wise and, um, an electrical current wise. And, um, so then as we were progressing through life, I also started to see that my grandmother had some neurological things, and then my dad started having seizures when he was an adult, like later on in life. So the predisposition was there for me. Right. And then just, uh, because I'm what I call, um, the next generation from them, what they take in their, their gene pools together. I'm the next generation. I'm one more generation that's been exposed to all those noxious substances since the Industrial Revolution. You know, the the schedules for the preventative strategies are increasing. Right. And so, uh, combination of all of those things. Right time. Uh, just enough of a bowel break. And here we are. Right? Like with just such a level of depletion in the body that hormonally and I think to that, quite frankly, seizure disorder, a lot of neurological patterns do have to do a lot with, um, hormones because there's a whole system and aspect that we deal with, um, in our process called the neuro endocrine system. So fixing the brain. So it's a, it's a combination of just enough shifting to that's happening at that stage of life. And then that kind of sets and it was always for me too was the type of seizure would be around when my hormones would be shifting to. That's when I was more most susceptible, um, to an event or an episode. And so there's definitely some things that I think happen, especially with the neurological system that have to do with progesterone and certain fluctuations of that, um, at different times, which has an impact as well neurologically. Mhm. Well, okay. You mentioned a twin sister. Yeah. Did she have any of these issues. She did. She didn't have the full blown grand mal. So that's an interesting point. But you're savvy for picking that up right. Because that's always something that's unique to study. So she would have what we call petty mall type of situation where her eyes we both grew up kind of like eyes fluttering a little bit more, um, patterns. But hers never turned into grand mal. I think the distinguishing factor may have been that I had that shot, uh, when I stepped on the rusty nail, which she did not step on. And then within two years, I had the viral expression on my face, which affects the upper cervical nerve areas, you know? Um, that's where those mapped to. And so I think that also just laid the foundation for me to be more susceptible to having more of an expression of that already pre-programmed, you know, genetic predisposition, which is really a good case study for how it happens in most of our bodies. So while listeners could say, well, I don't have those kinds of symptoms, um, the reality is, is you do you have that pattern of things happening in your body? It just expresses differently in terms of the symptom. Okay. But they what it took for my body to get to the point where I'd fall down and convulse and lose control of my limbs is still at play in most bodies. It's just the impact, or the symptom may either not be as noticeable, may not be as severe, may not be as intense, but all of the same mechanisms at play that took my body to get there or at play in most other bodies. You've got me thinking about the nervous system right now, because he brought up the fact that you had this, uh, chickenpox or. And for you, it wasn't chickenpox. Right. But it's the. The herpes zoster virus is responsible for the expression of chickenpox. Is also responsible for the expression of shingles. Mhm. Okay. So that showed up. And to anybody who's ever had shingles it's excruciatingly painful. Was it excruciatingly painful on your face. Absolutely. It was a nightmare. Um I even have a picture uh, on my phone of me. They took it with me holding a, uh, Care Bear or something, you know, back in the day, uh, with the flowers, everybody felt so sorry for me. Um, but the interesting thing about viruses is really important distinction too, is viruses are we're made to have viruses. We have them in our in our makeup and our genetic makeup. Um, but the game that you want to play with viruses in particular, any virus, that's whether that Epstein-Barr herpes family, you know, whatever it might be, is you want to keep them away. Okay. So and the way that you keep a virus from expressing and keep it away is by making sure that you don't get too toxic inside and that, you know, you've got your immune system optimized such that that isn't such a pertinent it's not really able to express into some kind of symptomatic picture. Right? Okay. So I this is the fun story that that rolls around. If you've had chicken pox and you don't get the vaccine as an adult, it's going to show back up as shingles. Uh, yeah. So not necessarily. Huh? Yeah. You just you just totally poo pooed all over that because ultimately you have to have the right environment. Right? Which that's epigenetics as well as the, the, the right level of toxicity rolling around in your body to make it express again. That's the story that you've been told in that cells. And and you know, physicians allows. The genes doesn't it. Yeah. Which those you know our position to us is not the money maker but the money maker from receiving some of that type of care can be, uh, with the need for more medical procedures down the road. More intervention, more intervention. Yep. Okay. So going back to the nervous system. Yeah. We've got shingles on the face. Was it this this side of your face. Yeah. It was a fire. It was. Oh in the eye. Yeah. And actually with the shingles. So the blisters were all like right here. And they went up my forehead I think just up to my scalp here. I remember the night that I started to feel it's like all itchy and burny and no idea what was going on. Um, and uh, basically the lesions, apparently, if they had gone down like to the midpoint of my nose, there was likely to be some cornea eye damage. So they were waiting to see which could affect my vision. We were waiting to see if that happened. Never did. So that was good. But yeah, they were like, we've never seen this in somebody your age. It's usually in the adults, right? Yeah. Well. Yeah, I mean, I think it was just enough of a setup, um, for me, uh, given some of my history and what had happened in that one that's no longer on the market, you know, obviously, for probably some other there was probably some other impacts out there, uh, for other people. And again, that might have looked differently. Um, but when I do the research, the one that was available during that time period of my life, um, I can determine that it wasn't, uh, it's no longer available. I don't know for certain that that's exactly the one that I had, but I don't know that there was anything else on the market at that time. And so all that to say, um, you know, that's been the story with those types of interventions, uh, throughout time. Right? That's not an isolated event. That has been something that has been the case. And, you know, back to what what we're talking about in terms of that toxic burden. And it doesn't matter if it came that way or if it came from exposure to mercury in your mouth from amalgams, injections, you know, fish, whatever. Monitors. For. But for the mamas that I have, I. Know so many guys that have, uh, gotten exposure from playing with it in their hands and such. Yeah, that was me. Yeah, I definitely broke. I think I broke, like three of them. I was notorious for breaking the mercury thermometers. It drove my parents nuts. And then they came out with those cool little strips that you just place over the forehead, and it was like, show. Yeah. Yeah. You were you were a scientist even back then. So you're trying to always an engineer. You're always trying to re-engineer. Yeah, right. Break it and fix it. Yeah. Okay. Yes I got it's only thing that's like a big factor. That's a big factor that will cause disruption to the nervous system too. Too much of a toxic burden. Um, you know, and that will prohibit the body from healing effectively. So even if people that are listening have ever tried a natural, you know, process to deal with their health conditions, and by natural, I mean something that wasn't pharmaceutical, um, in nature, that sometimes they will actually get stopped up in that process. Because if you're just like taking a protocol of some kind of detox or supplement, like, you know, if you talk, start talking about heavy metals. People are like, oh, well, I'll just take some chlorella. You know, whatever you do, if you don't like, make sure it matches well with your body. Um, you could have some problems. And that has to do with the fact that it can cause you to detox too quickly. Uh, you know, a supplement like chlorella can have a big impact on a thyroid person person with thyroid issues. So it can throw them into a little bit of a funk. Um, and I had that happen at the first, first, uh, bit of time when I was started to detox. But being able to put a system behind it that helps you organize it and put those things in the right time, right amount, right order is crucial, especially if you're talking about the fact that you're if you're a high performer, which a lot of your audience is to put them in the high performer category they need to be on, they need to be able to perform. And sometimes, if healing is too disruptive, it's hard to get out of the gate, uh, for a lot of high performers because they'll start down the path of healing. The healing becomes disruptive to their performance, and then they have to opt out of healing. Yep. Or they start healing and it feels really good. And then they push themselves and it reverses everything that they did. But they blame it on the fact that the thing that they tried wasn't working. Ah, true. Yeah, that over overload. And sometimes it's not going far enough. So for example, I talk a lot of people, I would say kind of do my first phase of the resiliency method. In other words, you might be able to have you'll have more options for that phase of care because you can go with a functional medicine doctor. You know, it's doing a protocol. You can, um, do something. You might find something online and you'll start taking, you know, a protocol of products or Doctor Google will certainly talk to you all day about how to start with some of those heavy metal detox parasite cleanses, some of those things that people are always researching, but oftentimes they're running around in circles because inside of that process where I call it filling the dumpster, there are several things that can come up for people. There's the toxicity piece. There's the pathogen piece. Sometimes they're missing that there's a scar on their body that's interfering with their ability to heal. Um, food sensitivities can be inside that bucket. I'd say mold exposure and or, um, line chronic, you know, line cases too. Yep. All chronic. That's just first phase. I call it filling the dumpster, targeting those things in the body and putting some kind of intervention in to help deal with them. Okay. But in that what I just rattled off, there's like 10 or 15 possibilities. You can do lab tests and you can isolate what might be present in your body. Um, but if you don't put that in like that, healing the treatment in the right place at the right time, it can have an impact on your ability to to go through life day to day. So that's where my process is excels is it's like sort of puts organization around, um, those things that you need to do. And for example, if we do a heavy metal detox on the right products that you need to take at the very beginning of our process, oftentimes we don't have to do much of anything with mold or with fungus, you know, because just taking the, the, um, the heavy metal burden down helps your body overcome the fungal challenge. Also in that same vein, if we earn enough right or energy inside the body to do enough mitochondrial, uh, reorganization and healing and mitochondrial level, if we do that the right time and we take care of parasites, well, then oftentimes we're not having to do treatments for Lyme. Over and over again. Yeah. Yeah. All right. You said a word that I have a feeling my audience is going to go. Wait. What? Mitochondrial. This is by far one of the deepest studies I've done in the body. Uh, this was 2 or 3 years ago. I really did a deep dive into mitochondria because it's. It's the energy body within the cell. Yep. It's where we get our energy. And as athletes, as people who are trying to constantly optimize so that we can do the thing that we want to do. High performers. Uhhuh. Mitochondria is definitely a place to gain ground. Absolutely. What is what what are you seeing when it comes to people with chronic health conditions? Like the list that you just rattled off and their mitochondria Just in the get go. Oh, definitely some cellular dysfunction. And then there's the inability for symptoms, you know, a chronic health pattern or picture. Um, but, you know, to relate it to a lot of your audience to which is the high performing athlete, they can also have mitochondrial dysfunction, um, which can impact their ability to perform as an athlete from day to day. Right? They oftentimes, though, like an athlete, isn't necessarily somebody that, um, can relate to chronic illness. Some can, you know, certainly there are some I'm going to say that unequivocally. But, you know, if you think about the nature of being a high performing athlete, you probably have some decent amount of energy to be able to expend your body in such a way. So mitochondria is vital. It's important. And certainly when it comes to being consistent in performance, the more that you can optimize that, the more effective that it will be. Uh, in terms of working with your body to have the performance you're looking for. But let me put this out to you. If if I told you, just like we were talking about that first phase where we're feeling the dumpster and phase two and three really in my process really starts to delve more into the mitochondria because we're starting to do more cellular detox. We're getting to the body, the part of the point of the process where we want to rebuild, right. And we want to improve the damage to the organs, tissues, glands, the neural tissue, the brain, the cells that was done from having all those things go on that we're talking about in phase one. But if I boost your mitochondria in phase one and you've got all of this, this fire inside your body and your train, what do you think the impact of that will be? Oh, it's going to burn something else down. Yeah. Now we have a dumpster fire. Well, it's almost like I always say people to people. Inflammation in itself isn't bad. inflammation is actually a necessary tool and mechanism of your body to heal something. It's you want inflammation at work for you. But the difference is, is you want inflammation as a controlled burn, not as a roaring forest fire. So if I boost mitochondria when there's some kind of fire going on, that maybe starts to get stoked a little bit and it starts to get a little out of control. If I'm promoting mitochondria, I could start to promote the energy of things that I don't want to promote the energy for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See what I'm saying? Get a dumpster fire. Yeah. It might be a little bit like sticking some lighter fluid on that, uh, that fire. So it's important, it's vital. And you've got to get to that point where you want your mitochondria doing that naturally. But one of the strategies you need to have good mitochondrial function is to take away the things that would suck the energy out of the body and suck the energy from the cells, and that's filling the dumpster, you know? Yep. I love that. Uh, in my process, we call the dumpster root cause tracking. It is? Yeah. We're trying to find the root cause, and and then we're trying to track it and follow it and heal it. And then the second phase for me, which sounds again very similar to you, is body rebalancing. Uhhuh. So now we've got the dumpster fire under control. Yep. And we're going to go in and heal the rest of the pieces that are now ready. And we have access to to heal them. So I love I love that our processes are lining up. Well yeah, it phase two for me is like a physiological like cellular detox, in other words. Let's give you an example. In phase two, we will go back in and retrace where all the phlegm is at in the body. And the reason that's important is because that's garbage that your body produced anytime it sees something it doesn't like, such as what we were talking about those stressors in phase one, parasites, heavy mouths, blah blah blah. Your body is so smart. It goes, ooh, I think I'm going to try to capture that and slow that down from having a bigger impact on this whole system. So it creates more excess phlegm. And so it does that. But what happens is, is you have a bunch of phlegm. Then you also have the garbage that we're trying to clean out with different processes. But you've got phlegm that's sticking around, that's holding some of those toxins yet. And so you've got to also go back in and remove that piece of it. Right. Otherwise a body that's under stress is always producing phlegm. And then phlegm over time compounds on to more phlegm. And now you've got what in Chinese medicine we call a phlegm pathology, which is a tumor cyst nodule. And depending on the tissue, if it's in the fatty tissue, it's a lipoma. It's a capsule. It's a smart technique, right? If you think about that. That's pretty brilliant. Throw some, throw a little sponge around it. Throw a little container around it. Let's let's keep it encapsulated. Let's keep it from hurting and harming. But then over time you've got the buildup of phlegm. You've got poor blood circulation, blood flow. You've got cells that are not getting nutrients. And then you start having cell death. And then that's what is the difference between something that is, you know, benign versus something that's more serious. Let's put it that way. Yeah. So that's, that's that's the first part of phase two. When we do that, ironically, we reverse the food sensitivities that a lot of people have. So whereas a lot of healing processes will leave people with, you know, take out these 20 foods and then say, say lovey, that was me, you know, and yeah. And I was like, okay, that we're missing something because me, my colleagues were all like living in more constriction, restriction, fear. You know, we're all like the the message we're sending people is, yeah, come get healthy. Look how how you can get healthy. And then you can't have any fun. You know, you can't, you can't. There's no fun to be had. You cannot eat anything you like. Cake is gone. Ice cream. Forget about it. No sugar, no dairy, and definitely no gluten. And they're like, where do I sign up? That sounds like so much fun. I want to get healthy now. You know, I would rather. Burn the fucking dumpster. Yeah, exactly. So it was it wasn't enough. And I was stuck there on that merry go round for a while until I just started to ask more questions. And I started to bring in and integrate my Chinese medicine background. That just became just inputs and then working with clients. And I was like, oh, oh, so we get to this point in the body wants to do this next. And then, you know, and really having that, um, that whole, you know, I at one point I was I've had to back off so I can get podcasts done, but, um, you know, at one point is over 100 visits in a week, you know, so a lot of bodies to see and work through these processes. And, um, I just started to really set forth that, you know, a postulate that I want to create more expansion, um, that really true health is being expansion and having more resiliency and having more adaptability and having not being afraid, uh, about, you know, the fact that we've changed from 3G or 4G to 5G, you know, like, like that we didn't have to control for every little thing and thing, single thing in our environment, we could actually enjoy some of the things, um, that, you know, might be naughty or, you know, you know, things that you should not do and really have the attention on expanding. And I think it's for high performers, the people that do the best. You know, you guys know the mental game that goes with that. It's not it's not about like, what do I have to avoid? It's about like, how do I perform, right? And what is my intention on that's going to create the outcome that I want? Well, it's the same with health. You want better health and your attention is on how much you can't do what you have to be afraid of, you know? And it's like, okay, that frequencies like down here, you know, um, and so I just knew we needed to play a different game and with the body and that's where, uh, you know, in our process, the second phase is we get into cellular detox. We use carbon based technology, which is recognized, easily absorbed and recognized by the body. And then ultimately, we get the body back to where it receives what it's supposed to receive and heal through, which is Whole Foods. And I'm not talking about the whole 30 diet. You know, where you have meat and veggie and such. I'm talking about the things that you and I don't want to put on our plate and put our fork in a knife into, but actually our ancestors used, um, for eons and thousands of years that precede us. And that was the form of organ meats, you know, or. Excuse me? Organ. Yeah. Oregon meats, you call them. I don't like to use the word meat because meat really is the muscle, but organs, uh, collagen, uh, and using those things that that's our fuel. That's what our body recognizes and will uptake and do something with, um, more effectively and efficiently then over just taking an isolate of a nutraceutical product that doesn't come with the cofactors. So most of you of it, you end up like just pissing out basically. Or pooping out. Yeah, yeah. If it even makes it that far through the intestinal tract. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Because most people don't realize and nutrient nutrient nutrition science is complex. It's very much like going to be into the world of chemistry in such an understanding, and I don't think we even understand an inkling of really what goes into nutritional science. I think we're getting we've made a lot of progress. But, uh, you know, the vitamin C that you get with the carrot, um, that comes along with the vitamin E so that you absorb it and, you know, all the other co-factors to have you actually use that vitamin C, um, is very different than taking, uh, one isolate of vitamin C complex, which is ascorbic acid, which is the one that most of us are reaching for when we think we're taking vitamin C. It's only one tiny aspect of that whole entire complex nutrient that is vitamin C, and that's the same with vitamin B, etc.. Right? So yeah, nature was much smarter than the chemistry that the humans decided to shove into us. It's yeah. It's perfect and design already and so are we. In the job of someone like me and you is to really just unleash that inside of the individual and, and facilitate what's already there, you know, and leverage it and make it better? Yeah. And amplify whatever, amplify the bad so that we can get rid of it and amplify the good. So. Right, right. Right. Right. All right, doctor Erica, where in the world can people find you so that they know who to reach out to when they hear this podcast and go, oh, I need to talk to her? Yeah. Awesome. Well, all the details are in the show notes. I won't I won't take the liberty of like, actually spelling out the web URL, but, um, there's a way to engage us. There's a couple options, um, to do a discovery call. So that's like low level. Oh, hey, doctor, I heard you talk, but I'm not sure if you can help me with this. Um, you know, we do the gamut from the simple to the really complex and sometimes the most complex or the most rewarding for me. But, uh, certainly my situation was complex. And so that's one of the reasons why I know how to deal with complex, uh, cases. And, um, so there's discovery call option. There's like a I want to jump in and like, actually get, you know, you to test me and see what's coming up. And then, uh, and I'll put together a report of findings and recommendation, and we'll talk about what it would look like to move forward. And that's the initial consultation. Uh, all of these options are less than $200 to just get engaged in the process. So, yeah, and I think there's also a link in there too, for like a free report or something that you can just learn a little bit more about. If you know, you're trying to profile yourself as whether or not this would be right for you, you can kind of learn a little bit more there as well. Absolutely. Yes. There is a link. Oh, you're going to learn about Doctor Erica. And there's also in the show notes, the link for that discovery call that doctor Erica was talking about. Yeah. Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you so much. I am so unbelievably excited to work with you and to learn your method and to really unleash the thriving side of me. Absolutely. Thank you. Was about. All right. Awesome. And thanks for the opportunity to chat. Thank you so much for listening to spirit of an athlete. If you want to find out what part of your mindset might be holding you back from healing, but has helped you as an athlete. Go check out the Gutsy Chick quiz at Gutsy Chick quiz.com. And if you would like more of me, you can go to Body Whisper healing.com and read my blog. Check out other podcast episodes, find out how I work with my clients, and much more. Thanks for listening to this episode.